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Shame shame shame

via today’s Statesman, yet another example of homobigots and their loving Christian values.

An Arlington mega-church put a big Christian kibosh on a funeral less than 24 hours before it was scheduled when they found out the deceased—a Navy veteran who served in the Gulf War – was gay.

But not to worry! They didn’t act out hatred. Not at all. Rather, the decision was based in “principle.”

Officials at the nondenominational High Point Church knew that Cecil Howard Sinclair was gay when they offered to host his service, said his sister, Kathleen Wright. But after his obituary listed his life partner as one of his survivors, she said, it was called off.“It’s a slap in the face. It’s like, ‘Oh, we’re sorry he died, but he’s gay so we can’t help you,'” she said Friday.

Wright said High Point offered to hold the service for Sinclair because their brother is a janitor there. Sinclair, who served in the first Gulf War, died Monday at age 46 from an infection after surgery to prepare him for a heart transplant.

The church’s pastor, the Rev. Gary Simons, said no one knew Sinclair, who was not a church member, was gay until the day before the Thursday service, when staff members putting together his video tribute saw pictures of men “engaging in clear affection, kissing and embracing.”

Engaging in clear affection. No way can that be condoned. Had the guy had  the decency to be ashamed and closeted, maybe they could have worked something out.

Simons said the church believes homosexuality is a sin, and it would have appeared to endorse that lifestyle if the service had been held there.

Because dead gay people shouldn’t get funerals? Because the families of dead gay people don’t  need or deserve the comfort and closure of a memorial service?

I guess they do background checks for the rest of their funerals to make sure the deceased are pure  enough?

“We did decline to host the service — not based on hatred, not based on discrimination, but based on principle,” Simons told The Associated Press. “Had we known it on the day they first spoke about it — yes, we would have declined then. It’s not that we didn’t love the family.”

Simons said the decision had nothing to do with the obituary. He said the church offered to pay for another site for the service, made the video and provided food for more than 100 relatives and friends.

“Even though we could not condone that lifestyle, we went above and beyond for the family through many acts of love and kindness,” Simons said.

If in fact these acts were performed, would that be ‘above and beyond’ standard principles of Christian compassion or ‘above and beyond’ your usual standard of homobigotry?

Wright called the church’s claim about the pictures “a bold-faced lie.” She said she provided numerous family pictures of Sinclair, including some with his partner, but said none showed men kissing or hugging.

The 5,000-member High Point Church was founded in 2000 by Simons and his wife, April, whose brother is Joel Osteen, well-known pastor of the 38,000-member Lakewood Church in Houston. Now High Point meets in a 432,000-square-foot facility in Arlington, near Dallas.

I guess they need all that extra space for their many, many acts of love and kindness…


26 Responses

  1. Despite Christianity’s message of love, it appears that their message of love only applies to those who meet their “principles.” The founder of Christianity, Jesus of Nazareth, taught that God loved everyone-not just those who met certain requirements.
    I am heterosexual and I believe that humans are born either gay or straight and really don’t have a conscious choice. Homosexuality also occurs in the animal kingdom (i.e. chimpanzees and dolphins.) Are these animals sinners for what comes naturally to them?

  2. Are they now going to screen who goes to their church to make sure “none of those” people are sitting in their sacred pews. I am under the impression that God is the one and only judge. Jesus said
    “Let him who is without sin cast the first stone”. I am not gay but neither am I without sin.

  3. Churches should only hold furerals and weddings for it’s members. The members of the church would know and agree with it’s principles and beleifs. God is a God of love, acceptance and peace. He is also a Holy God and there are terms and conditions for being a christian and a member of the christian church. If you do not hold those beleifs you should not expect to be treated as a member.

    I am not a member of any fraturnity and I do not expect to be treated as part of their brotherhood. If you are not a member of a chiristian church then you should not expect to be treated as a member. They have every right to practice what they beleive. If a church does not want to burry homosexuals, adulterers, child molestors, liars or anyone that does not adhear to their beleif it is their right. You should go someplace that beleive as you do to marry, burry your loved ones and have fellowship.

  4. It is really sad that the chruch would not host his memorial. One thought for those who agree with the church’s decesion. Did Jesus turn Mary Magdalin away?
    What would Jeus do? He would have loved him unconditionally, for we are all sinners in some way. Jeus would have loved him and honored him for his life. Break my heart!

  5. I thought only God was the the judge. My God loves all…the beauty of two persons in love are in His hands!! We who tell what gender to love are hipacritical. Love is Love!! Let’s let Him dicide when we get home. I love Jesus and I love love. Love can be male or female, female or male. It’s all good (at least think my God knows it is)!! He wouldn’t have created us to love one another unless hess he had no boundries. We love the same sex, and quite frankley, that is the most beautiful known!!!!!

  6. Jesus forvives sinners just as He forgave Mary. “…sin no more”.

  7. My daughter went to High Point Prep, which is the school associated with High Point Church for about 3 months. Not only are they bigots, but they are racists. My daughter is Caucasion. That church accepts school vouchers. When other children, who happened to be African American started beating my child up because according to the school, “she was too dressed.” I tried to address the situation with the school, and go through the appropriate channels. I even tried to schedule a meeting with April Simon’s who is the head of the school. My calls were never returned. Versus adressing the problem with the other kids parents they advised me that I needed to toughen her up. All the while my 4 year old was coming home with her clothes torn up and bruised. In the end I had remove her from the school for her own safety.
    High Point need to realize that the funeral was about respecting the dead and about bringing comfort to a grieving family. After someone dies a person no longer has a sexual preference. They are no longer allowed to act in a way that others may deem “immoral”. They are a shell that one housed a soul. And, even if they lived a lifestyle that was outside the realm of what they considered acceptable they should realize that he was still a child of God. The deceased is never going to be hurt that he did not have his memorial in that specific “church”. All that the Simon’s did was add insult to the injury of a grieving family.
    This incident once again shows that the Simon’s and their church have absolutely no class. Why anyone would look to people like them for guidance on how to live a Christian life. You have to walk the walk before you can ever walk the walk!

  8. Do not live a lifestyle of sin.

  9. I am so ashamed…my thoughts are with the Sinclair’s family and friends. Acts like this is what keeps people from becoming members of “Churches”. They are so close-minded when it comes to “them”. They don’t want to look at what they do. I was a member of a Church for over 20 years. When an incident with “our” paster, caused several people to stop going. I have yet to find another “Church” that I feel comfortable with. The Good Lord is in “My” life, and I know it. My heart aches for the family. They should have continued with the service. I wonder how many members they will loose over this? If I was to die today, I could say that I’m sure without a doubt my service could be held there, even though I’m no longer a member. We ALL are sinners. His sexual orientation should not have been a factor. I am not Gay, but believe me, I sin just like everyone does. God Bless the Sinclair Family.

  10. We send this message to the church:
    “I am totally shocked with the attitude of this church towards gay people.
    The action taken in the incident where this church cancel the funeral services 24 hrs before is outrageous.
    God love everyone, not for color, not for gender o for diferent religious believes. It is not the church we look for. We support this minister in the past but with this actions it have make us believe it is not worthed.

    Shame , shame. I hope god take pitty on you.

    Edwin Mendoza.

  11. The pure ignorance and cruelty of people who call themselves Christians and ministers completely defies my sense of decency and morals. People like this should go to the back woods and live with the wildlife. Can’t they read? Homosexuality is not a lifestyle people choose ( most of them – except those abused – usually girls in childhood). Men are born that way. Scientific evidence now proves they are an extra X or Y on their DNA chain causing their sexual preferences to differ from the traditional. This is not an evolution debate, it is simply fact. Those who want to be bigots and cruel to those who are innocently judged should pick up a book and do some research if they are capable. As a University Professor, it still baffles me to be forced to tolerate the “rednecks” who treat others in such a sinful manner and that includes the minister and his cohorts. Dr. Vicki

  12. How dare they assume God doesn’t love all people?

    Who the fuck are they to speak for Him?

    I wonder if God was able to really speak if he’d not burn them all at the stake for using His name in evil, hurtful ways.

  13. Al…….You are the one going to HELL……….

  14. i think many of the people that are writing these messages are ignorant to the Bible and need to read more to understand it better.
    God even told Moses that homosexuality is sin, even to add emphasis, He called it an adbomition, which means God hates it. God said that he loved people, but he did say that He did not like the actions of those people.
    So how dare any of you act as if you have had your rights violated. the church only acted as it would according to the Bible.

  15. If the deceased homosexual was not a member of the church, why did they want to use the church for his service? Was it to glorify the homosexual, or to glorify God? Funeral homes offer the same kind of services for those who don’t wish to honor God with their lifestyle.

  16. …We send this message to the church:
    “I am totally shocked with the attitude of this church towards gay people.

    -Don’t be ‘shocked’ at Christian organizations for upholding BIBLICAL laws concerning God’s condemnation of homosexuality. If you have any complaints, then your complaints are towards God Himself, not those who UPHOLD HIS LAWS.

  17. From What I read so far by most of the blogs. there is no understanding of GOD, The BIBLE, or of Christianity. GOD is about Love, the love of the world that GOD sent HIS SON to die on a cross for a dying and sinful world, to look towards and be saved by asking HIS SON JESUS CHRIST for Salvation. God is about Love but that is just part of the story and part of the BIBLE, you really should read the rest of the BIBLE and see everything GOD is about . HE is also a Just GOD, a Moral GOD and a God of principles and one of those principles is standing agianst sin. He loves the sinner but hates the sin. Until you become saved you are not a child of GOD and not HIS, (John 8:42-47; John 14:23,24) Love is unto salvation and repentence of sin and believing in CHRIST and HIS Resurrection. This is not an issue of being nice and loving this is an issue of standing for the truth of GOD’S WORD and Homosexuality is agianst GOD’S WORD and is sin (Lev 18:22-26;Lev 20:13; Rom 1:24-32. Christians do believe it is something your born with. We are born with a sin nature and until we are saved that sin nature overcomes those that allow it. it is a choice, we chose to sin and we chose not to accept CHRIST as SAVIOR. Once we accept Christ we have the ability and the obligation to curve that sin nature and overcome it (John 14:15; Philippians 4:13). Those people took a stand for GOD and HIS WORD and there is not enough of it today and I commend them for it and I also hope in my life to be as bold and courageous in my Christian life in stading for my GOD and faith as they were.

  18. As a Disciple of Christ the only sin hear lies with the MEGA Church. For me the MEGA Church who refuses to serve on of Gods Children is truly the bride of Satan pretending to be Children of God..

    “to whom much has been given, much is required”.

  19. The Arlington Mega church Sucks big time, they are nothing but a bunch of phony HYPOCRITES.

  20. The deceased didn’t even attend church. Why would he want a Christian funeral. This is the media again spinning to get people crazed over unimportant events. Ridiculous anda waste of time.

  21. So let me get this straight RK and Aaron. My homosexuality is sin and to continue being homosexual is living a life of sin… I chose it? People, let me tell you that as a child coming into puberty and as a young adult I fought it tooth and nail. While hiding in the closet I went to psychiatrists, counselors, avoided all things gay, left an impressive chain of little girls broken hearts and did I pray? Oh I prayed and prayed fervently let me tell you. I tried desperately to be hetero like you. All in vain. Frustrated I turned to alcohol and drugs. The whole thing quite nearly killed me. This is only part of a life story being experienced as we speak by hundreds of thousands of your children worldwide. In catholic catechism classes as a child, I learned that for a sin to be a real sin you must give full consent to it. If that is true, then how can something be a sin that one did NOT choose?

    Today I am 18 years clean and sober. One day at a time with the grace of God. I am in a loving relationship with my partner of 13 years and we both pray every day. To assume that all or most gay people are Godless is ludicrous. And if you are going to cherry pick the bible, well so can we. You must believe the world is flat, that you will go to hell for eating shellfish, that it’s OK to sell your oldest daughter into slavery. The list goes on and on, but please… learn the meaning of metaphor and realize that the book was written by men albeit inspired by God, and the time and laws of the land when the books were written. No disrespect intended or implied here. My heart goes out to our deceaced veteran. May he rest in peace and be remembered for all the good he did on this earth.

  22. I can’t believe what I’m reading….God “hating abominations”, “until you’re saved, you aren’t a child of God” omg! unreal! God doesn’t hate, and we are all children of God the moment we’re born. Just remember we’ve ALL sinned, just because we attend a megaplex church doesn’t make us sin free. We all continue sinning every day of our lives, and I don’t think there’s one person here who can deny that. So what if he didn’t attend the church, they should have been respectful of a man who went and served his country, who made it possible for them to have the right to stand on their high horse that they’re so fond of. Hypocrisy is a sin as well my friends and I believe this church would have received more positive publicity if they had just done the funeral ceremony. After all, they offered a “less notable” ceremony not in the church, they were willing to do that because they didn’t want their rich patrons to get wind of it, hence they take their big fat pile of money elsewhere to another less forgiving church…

  23. In America the church is incorporated as a Religios Corporation with the IRS and regestered with the State. As I think about the issue as a Pastor, I may have burried the Naval veteran to use it as an opportunity to evangelize and witness if I was to do the Eulogy. However, the church has legal rights, by-laws and a charter to believe and choose what they wish by the constitution of the USA. Obviously, it’s not against the Law. It’s their legal right, whether you like it or not.

    My concern is for Ms. Wright who is suffering from the loss of her brother. Loss causes grief and one of the stages of grief is anger. The brother who works as a janitor for the church is the one I’d like to hear from because it was probably him who suggested the place to hold the funeral. We are hearing personal thoughts on a subject that is really private.

    Private for the church and private for the family. The news media is in the business of making money and to bring ideas to the public for discussion. I would always look at the motive of the people in the news and the motive of the people reporting the news. To comment on what would Jesus do? It would depend on the motive and message He wanted us to receive. Sometimes Love, sometimes judgement. What type of lifestyle do you object?

    To the family I pray that you are able to build a memorial in your hearts for your family member that will alow you to live above any negative reactions to his lifestye. Love one another through this hardship. Remember, your family is suffering just like everyone elses family in and outside of this issue. The sisters healing may be worked out because of the rejection which is real and has propelled her into the media for a season. However, after this season what next? WHAT NEXT? Will the media report on the healing process after death or look for the next tragedy or loss to report?

  24. Joel Olsteens church has a right to go by their standards, and principles of the Bible. Why are the gays and family making such a big news media issue out of it? I think it is ridiculous of the sister and family to dishonor their brother and relative they way they are doing! Just shut up about the mega church and give your brother a decent funeral service and burial somewhere. There are millions of funeral homes and places that will give him a service.
    I think the family is just wanting recognition and could care less about the death of this family member.
    Homosexuality is a sin according to the Bible. No matter what all of you write and say, it IS A SIN!!! And any who truly want to can make a choice and change their lifestyle. God will help you with anything if you want help. Most people just don’t want to change and don’t want help. etc.

  25. I agree with Phil. I feel that the family is dishonoring this man and they are not thinking of him. Maybe he didn’t want the service at that church. What was his wishes? Obviously, he didn’t go to church. Why is this family making it all about his sinful life style? Why can’t the family make it a celebration of his life, and not to bring him out after he has passed. Did he live a life of telling everyone about his life style? I dought it. It seems to me that he was much, much more than a gay man. What is wrong with this family? As far as the church goes, they stand for what the bible teaches us and not what society thinks they should teach or aprove of. This is what is wrong with the world today, people think that they have the right to change the will of God to their will at anytime. I am truley sorry, but you can’t. Please just honor this man and all his works and not dishonor him and take away the things he has done for his country. Leave the church alone and quit condemming it, because it belongs to GOD.

  26. so many people here seem to think they “know” not only that indeed, God does exist, but what He is willing to forgive as well…i make no such claims, as i don’t have a direct line to any God. the only direct lines available are to Men in charge of religious meeting places, churches, etc. They are the ones who are making the decisons here. the ones who are saying: No or Yes. personally, i’ve never known it to a sin to be charitable or merciful. when we begin going outside our own feelings of kindess and compassion to check with a list of rules to see if it’s Allowed, well…

    this is about Popularity. this is about Publicity and possible disruption of the the millions of Donations which fill the coffers each and every day. none of this is about a man who served this country to protect each and every one of us, that we may differ or agree.

    how sad, that sexual preference seems to be the one thing that’s being accentuated when speaking of this man. all of our arguments, this way, or that way, mean nothing.

    as a non-gay, non-religious person, i can only hope that if there be a God, perhaps this war vet and Him/Her/It, are sitting at a table, having a few beers, sharing stories and laughing. my thoughts go out to those he left behind.

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